A . Chris said he forgot the phone. He kills both witnesses and the rest is history. Celeste and Bellas bodies were each inside one of the tanks. As a woman, I never go to sleep with my bra on. The carpet was cleaned, and laundry done in the Peterson case. Dont forget, she is pregnant. I sense some disciplinary issues, and Ive seen her being absolutely overwhelmed as to how to really effectively handle even the most basic of situations. 5. If the oil got into her stomach by being submerged in the tank then shouldnt CeCe have oil in her system too. So Shananns OCD personality stopped that night? I didnt know what else to do. I think His story is believable. @Lisa if shed already died she would have not been engaged in the act of strangling her like he said. YES! If the digestive tract opens up at death, where did Shannan, Bella and Celeste poop? That alone speaks volumes how they were approaching their relationship. What is going on?? Would love your thoughts, please comment. So Chris Watts said she barely got into bed, and soshe barely got into bed? Meanwhile, the part of your brain that regulates involuntary functions is shutting down. Its definately not most. Everyone did think I was the nutty one by what he said cause he was a great guy to them. No one deserves what happened to those kids and their mother-you have issues. Had he planned this out, he would have killed them earlier, left in the middle of the night, in the dark, to dispose of the bodiesnot as the sun was coming up as seen in the tape. The full autopsy reports are included below: Watts Aggregate Autopsy Reports by EKilloran on Scribd, MANHUNT: Hobby Lobby Distribution Center Manager Shot Dead in Altercation With Employee, 16-Year-Old High School Student Fatally Stabbed in Classroom Fight, Young Child FaceTimes for Help After 4 Members of Family Slain, Chris Watts tried to pin the murders of 3-year-old Celeste and 4-year-old Bella on his wife when he first confessed to murdering Shanann, who was 15 weeks pregnant at the time, In the video of Chris Wattss confession, previously published on. In the 2000 page report that was released they pose the theory that she may have been asleep while attacked. Watts, a 33-year-old Colorado oil worker, killed his wife, Shanann, who was 15 weeks pregnant, along with his two daughters aged three and four on August 13, 2018. In the interrogation CW was blaming Shannan for killing the girls, and in the next breath trying to protect NK. In the report, (link below) stories of financial devastation, destruction of relationships, and even murders and suicides paint a vivid picture of an industry built on lies and deception a business that focuses its greedy eyes on the naive and the vulnerable. what was the deal with the blue gloves next to the bed??? Ethanol makes sense, especially because it could be disguised in the chemicals themselves. THE GIRLS WERE NOT COMPLETELY DEAD when put into the oil tanks. Maybe some ppl just can only take so much. It takes 4 5 hours for a stomach to empty after eating. She left him a note the morning she left for Arizona and it was very loving & positive. Watts isnt a trained jujitsu. The Weld County Coroner released the complete autopsy reports of Bella, Celeste, and Shanann Watts, who were murdered by Chris Watts on August 13. He is not only a monster, but also a coward, by quickly disabling his victims. The bra thing means nothing, my daughter is big busted as well and slept in her bra when she was pregnant because her breasts that were tender were less bothersome at night if she wore one. She was not drinking while pregnant! The lie detector test question focused solely on her, didnt even mention the kids. He in cold-heart and with much caluculation waited for her to return Shanann did not stand a chance! Was Niko Buried With Shan'ann Watts? Stomach: The stomach contains approximately 75mls of viscous green-black fluid which is suggestive of oil and particulate matter from the oil tank which she was in. For starters there was only ONE cadaver dog (the Lab) who indicated only TWO places in the house the spot in the basement between the stairs and the heating system fan, and by the rear sliding door! I also believe in my heart that Shannan did not hurt her babies How do you or any of us know what her last words to Chris were? She also had Lupus, and was 15-16 weeks pregnant, which could have been the reason why she wasnt feeling well. I think she was then taken, with her children, out of the rear of the property for concealment. This behavior is opposed to the dignity and respect of another person. Several life experiences may also have contributed to and promoted OCD-like behaviours in Shanann too the loss of financial control during bankruptcy, divorce, car accident, illness etc all contribute to a person seeking the need for regaining control of their life which can manifest as a place for everything and everything in its place behaviours. Did you mention in your book that Shannan thought her marriage was wonderful and things started changing around the time your Hero Chris Watts started having an affair? I always wondered why she didnt fight back, too. So completely terrible. If Shanann tried to claw his neck I would think he would have cuts there. I expect they also make youtube channels of women doing things wrong to say why they hate women, even if men usually do more of those things, If he killed her downstairs how would there have been no movement on main floor shortly after she got home. didnt attempt it herself. @Karen did she get dressed for bed, or did she simply take of her jeans, throw off her flip-flops and decide to settle down for a couple of hours sleep wearing the bra, panties and t-shirt that she arrived home in? Late stage of pregnant. Advertisement. He resented how close they all were and was sadistic enough to hurt her. Chris Watts' plan was to make his family disappear. Bella was face up in the oil tank. When youre pregnant you do, breasts get tender and the extra support helps. This is an excellent theory and makes a TON of sense!!! In addition, it became clear that she used bed as a punishment. Never mind! However, prosecutors maintained that Watts killed his pregnant wife and the two girls, and eventually he pleaded guilty to the crimes. Shannan would choke the like out of Watts before she hurt her kids. Chris only had one small scar on his body, consistent with this theory. He was presented with evidence before the plea deal, and we dont know the content of those conversations. Or even creepier, but fitting the narcissist he is, asked her to lie down and talk to him, maybe even told her he was sorry and wanted to try and work things out and then pinned her down and strangled her. Do you think he ninja-attacked her the moment she entered the house? Watts, who had initially reported them missing and had made a public plea for their return, was arrested as he admitted to killing them. Im sure he didnt want any questions from her or to talk about anything. I remember one video where shes tasting one of the Thrive bars and effusing over how delicious it is, while one of her daughters cries with hunger in the background, and ShanAnn tells the poor child, No, you cant have this this is Mommys. How do THESE people know? And of course she loved her children, and she was a great mom. Seriously? While officers were waiting, Christopher confessed to killing Shanann, and getting rid of the bodies of Celeste and Bella. If that were in fact the equivalent of an $80,000 *salary*, they wouldnt have been behind on their mortgage and HOA dues. And Ive also learned a LOT about her between videos, and every page of the 1,960 pages of documents released by authorities under Colorado statute. First of all- the digestive tract is long. The body is that of a well-developed, well-nourished Caucasian female whose appearance is generally consistent with the Theres also a serious fundamental problem with your theory, which goes to the forensics. They asked him ways to murder somebody & he said shoot someone, hit them with a club, stab them, run them over, throw them off a cliff, a bunch of other weird ways but steering wide of strangling. There are a lot of types online who get off on blaming victims for what others do. There are FBI profilers who are trained at reading people by what they dont say & in Chriss case sometimes he says too much. If they were pliable makes me wonder if they were not deceased that long before he was able to shove them into the tanks. Triggers related to cleanliness and symptoms related to washing make up only a small part of the range I believe the DA said there was no evidence of fibers related to the smothering of Bella and Celeste. How was she with her phone? He said those were consistent with trying to flee while being smothered. But, wait a minute, he is that selfish and only thinks of himself, and he is too much of a coward. Shanann's autopsyconcluded that her cause of death was asphyxiation due to manual strangulation. I consider it strange to have them there (in preschool) FT at their age, given the business she was inseems like it could have been done around an at home schedule for the girls, IMO.. Chris and or others..I tend to agreeShan ann was imodefinitely disabled at some pointBella maybe not..she fought hard. Chris stated that his wife smothered her children and im sure hes lying but i was hoping to read somewhere here of proof that chris also smothered his kids. COFFIN BIRTH OF BABY NICO!-Please read description TY Scrub The Surface 8.27K subscribers Subscribe 13K Share 1.5M views 4 years ago THIS VIDEO IS. 75 mls is about 5 tablespoons or a third of a standard cup. He probably wanted it done quickly and in the dark so he wouldnt have to see anyones faces, anything that might make him doubt what he is doing. I know, Im a survivor of strangulation. Told everyone I was bipolar, that we were divorced, even took me to one of his counseling sessions to prove I was the one with the problem. I think despite her bravado, she had insecurities just like everyone else, with both herself, and her roles as wife and mother AND someone working in an MLM. Oil water and sludge debris in the stomach.. Exhausting and she was pregnant. Then probably went to bed & I guarantee he was in their bed not in the basement & this made her happy. dirty murderer! Cheryl: If Chris did that, he definitely has to die. I dont think she ever went into the master bedroom that night. Exiting rooms. And if the girls mentioned a nikki shanann may just assume her friend. Weld County DA In the text, Shanann also tells Chris that he hasn't shown any signs of missing her in the weeks they have been apart. I guess since theyre children and small its possible. Then he killed his daughters Bella, 4, and Celeste, 3 at his job site on an oil field. Part of the evidence that he put into the trash. He found her phone between the cushions. When you are larger or they are tender, especially when pregnant, it is easier to sleep in them. Not the best proof, but it adds to the chance there was planning. You can argue till the cows come home and all you end up arguing is that she could be in any non-specific place in the house. Of course we dont know what shes talking about. I actually have been turned upside down by this murder, and through watching over 42 hours of video, have grown to love and admire Shannan! (942948) Interview with NK about CW's failing marriagehe badmouthed SW a lot . This was the last time she was seen alive. The one person who took a few breaths almost immediately fainted. Colorado is very rural. I dont know about you, but I definitely dont sleep in mine. Chris only saw things with one lense. But thats me. If someone begins to strangle you while youre in a deep sleep and laying down you may never regain enough consciousness to fight back. The only thing that could have screwed with this is that $69 charge to the Lazy Dog. I would just like to express an opinion of mine to you and all your readers. D: Oil, water and sludge debris was found in her stomach. (blood chokes, carotid restraints or sleeper holds) If you believe that Chris didnt kill his daughters, then why on earth did he dump their bodies in oil tanks like they were trash? I guess my vanity rubbed off on her. Once into the oil she gulped in the toxic mix of oil, water and sludge and died as a result of this as well as being unconscious. He has to be asked if he EVER went to look at Bella and see what condition she was in. Your thoughts? The manner of death is homicide, the autopsy for Bella said. He could have planned to go to work early that morning so as to avoid talking to Shanann. Based on the history provided and the autopsy findings, the cause of death is asphyxiation due to manual strangulation by another individual. Not a chance she would have run the risk of waking up the children by going into their rooms she knew theyd be fine as shed often said Chris was a good Dad. It is my opinion that one could not have this mix in the stomach unless it was swallowed and if the stomping on the head didnt bring Bella out of unconsciousness before being immersed in the oil, then she was very possibly (and hopefully) unaware of what was happening. Theyd quietly suffocate no violent confrontation, very peaceful. The body is that of a well-developed, well-nourished although decomposing Caucasian female whose appearance is generally I tend to have the feeling ; with the way the justice system and penalties are enforced in the US .that he is probably in solitary confinement for his own protection!! I am new to this case, a couple of months of watching/listening to your videos Nick, and I am now working my way through your books. Also, CW was looking up dosages for oxycodone, a powerful pain medication that ShanAnn had plenty of stockpiled around the house. Did anyone explain that? They went to her house and observed her car in the garage. Based on Shanann having no defensive wounds, just the marks on her neck, I think he waited for her in bed, then after he felt she was either asleep or fully relaxed he rolled over on top of her and pinned her down somehow and then gripped around her neck. CW planned it, read it up. Also I agree much is still withhhed from the public. I love the way people just make things up and state it as fact, even when it completely opposes evidence in the case. Whereas if he left at lets say 3 am. I also have seen that neighbors vid of the loading of truck & see a female in video helping him load up , and even a small luve figure of a child. She also wanted to make her marriage work. Some people never saw. That is simply a common misconception/stereotype that is very harmful and untrue. She was organized but that is not OCD, same as me. Thats inaccurate. I will say one thing CW did NOT doat least he didnt rape his baby girlsha, like that makes him a good man, Yo i bet that thrive shit gave her that gallstone. The kids died afterward, otherwise he would have to break bones due to rigor to get them through the hatch. @Eleni Let me put it this way there is zero evidence that Shanann was upstairs. He said in his admissions that she deficated during the murder in thier bed, where he wrapped her in a sheet and moved her to the floor immediately- where he was interrupted by the girls waking up (after his first attempt to kill them by suffocating them in thier sleep)- the girls were killed in his truck CeCe was wearing a diaper, so even if she had deficated or urinated it would be unclear after days in the crude oil.. And Bella was likely not dead but simply unconscious again when he dumped her body- therefore, even if she did relax enough to evacuate her bowels and bladder- it wasnt until she was in the crude oil tank. She had the girls in daycare full time to the tune of $500 a week, spending $28k a year per official documents, and this HAD to be a financial strain. I believe those stains were on the sheets and thats why they were pulled off. Everything you say can & has been disputed. Was there no evidence of feces on the girls beds either so maybe they were not killed in bed? No evidence of cake or undigested dinner. Then he asks to talk to his dad. He was adamant that no no nothing like that happened but the female agent is sympathetic & is using a technic which is to put the blame on another person & make him feel less at fault. Shanann returned home from a business trip on the early morning hours of August 13, 2019. Then I think he went into the girls rooms. I have watched/listened to a lot of Nicks videos and am now working my way through his books, and I can honestly say that he is impartial and simply digs deep into the why of the case. He is very thorough, very professional, analyses and peels back all the layers. I had assumed all the way through that he had used a pillow. As someone who has OCD I would appreciate if everyone commenting here would look up the mental condition. Addendum: The cadaver dog wasaso very interested in the washing machine and his handler, Jayne, says quite clearly that her dog has scented death by the machine (check the K9 video, but watch the volume, the cadaver dogs bark is quite shrill! But I think she had some difficulty in raising and tolerating young children. I really think that the pregnancy started the whole thing. Which is odd to me again. I am of the opinion that: Bella was unconscious but still breathing when she was forced brutally into the oil tank, and her injuries were sustained during this push. A persons muscles relax upon death, including the sphincter. Please explain. You see any documents with that diagnosis? Or look up the video of the DA talking about the autopsies. In the new clip, the cold-hearted killer is wearing t-shirt, shorts and flip flops as officers secure. I am in Australia and I came across this story by accident and I am just horrified. The LeVel MLM was a huge contributing factor in this familys financial collapse. Its actually not uncommon. Time needed to cause petechiae is; Fifteen to thirty seconds (Anscombe and Knight 1996); Ten to thirty seconds (Plattner et al 2005); Fifteen seconds maximum (Copley & Kozam 1951) using the capillary fragility test; Shortly after gravity inversion in healthy individuals (Friberg & Weinreb 1985) One of the predatory marketing techniques used by MLMs (which overwhelmingly target MOMs) is that they can be at home *with* their children, making extra money with little effort. A CHOKEHOLD usually involves cutting off the air supply, (air choke or tracheal choke) a STRANGLEHOLD involves cutting off the blood supply. The Watts family killings and the financial devastation, infidelity, and what appears on the videos as a mindless neglect of the children overlay all these sad accounts. I wrote a book that tried to integrate information, not just throw the information in the air and shrug. Throw it away? No screams were heard in the middle of the night. It's difficult to speculate what the norm would be in a criminal case, especially where an autopsy would need to be performed on both the mother . If Chris had not had the affair, he would not have killed his family! CW was already working out his plan to annihilate his family around the time he was getting ready to make his daughters some dinner. Bellas covers were pulled off and she was just lying in bed. I once witnessed where someone used Tequila in a hookah instead of water. Cuz if shed already died she would have not been engaged in the act of strangling her like he said. I did hear shananns mom say let them in her daughters house. Not whether you or most people would or wouldnt do that do you think Shanann was the type of person to do that? While I agree MLM is 100% a pyramid scheme and bad news and that the long term use of their products probably do more harm than good (e.g. Under anaerobic conditions (absence of free oxygen) acids such as lactic acid, acetic acid and butyric acid are produced during decomposition, as well as a number of alcohols which include butyl alcohol, ethyl alcohol and acetone. It was almost too much to absorb at one reading. Im a survivor. Meredith Kercher is a famous example. What do you think about the 8 inch thief hatch, and the narrowest section of Ceecees hips being 9.5 inches, according to the autopsy? The autopsy is commenced at 1730 hours, on August 17, 2018 on the body of Celeste Watts at the McKee Medical Center, Loveland, CO. Thanks! He has an incredible amount of knowledge and has a lot of experience being an investigative reporter and author of many blogs and books. There is no sympathy for that psychopath period. Lastly, he lies constantly to the police, why is this self serving story all of the sudden believable? I guess we would never know and it wouldnt make any difference on his sentence. During decomposition, gasses cause stuff to come out but thats a different matter. The male agent says did Shannan do one child & you the other? This sick bastard should have done everyone a favor and took his own life. One thing that was truthful that came out of NKs mouth was that he lied about everything. I do believe that she may have been the one who smothered the children because she was so controlling, according to friends and family, that she didnt want another woman around her kids. Police reportsThe oil drums where the bodies were found. 3. Chris Watts isnt my hero. Now thats one of the main ways that most lay people think of first but he was coming up with these weird ways but distancing himself from strangling. The autopsy reports for Shanann Watts and her two young daughters show that all three were asphyxiated to death, and it's probable that 4-year-old Bella Watts fought for her life. Police saw a bed sheet. If he straddled her chest, and pins her arms down with his knees, she would have been incapacitated. Im thinking the girls were killed after Shanann because he knew she would look in on them, perhaps kiss them, before turning to bed herself. The cadaver dogs noted no presence of bodies in the basement however. He said it took minutes, the police reports say. My husband is 62, weighs 190 lb. Very CW. I am by no means defending him. I have to wonder if somehow she woke up and saw what happened to her Mommy. Her neck muscles had been bruised and the manner of death was deemed a homicide. My youngest daughter slept in a bra as well. The girls were described as light sleepers, and I wonder if this was because in fact they were sleeping too much, because wow, that is a lot of sleep, even for their ages. Does this mean Bella was still alive when she was dropped into the tank? He ran into Ceces bedroom and got on top of Shannan. That does not necessarily equate to being a psychiatric disorder, just personal empowerment. He tells his vindictive wife that he wants out. This autopsy is performed at the request of the Weld County Coroner, State of Colorado. Stranglehold Theory. The manner of death is homicide, the autopsy report says. And then you test it in various scenarios. Unfortunately, I know what its like to be strangled. You can see it in his eyes. First off lets not forget it was only after Chris failed the polygraph & then they said its time to come clean & Chris first said I had an affair, Ive been cheating on my wife, so I hurt her emotionally thats why its saying I lied. 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