Powers that we know of: Steelpushing (Allomantic) and Bloodmaking (Feruchemical). Before his death, Kelsier had tried to unlock the potential of the 11th metal, which was rumored to be the Lord Ruler's weakness. They discover that theres a murderer on the looseand, even worse, Harmony contacts Wax directly to inform him that this murderer is a rogue kandra named Bleeder/Paalm whos gone mad. Even if he was though, Im kind of confused at why you think Ruin would want TLR to kill Kelsier instead of Ruin trying to have TLR kill himself somehow. [69] Wax then used the artifact to defeat the Set and save the Southern Scadrian prisoners, using up a lot of the Investiture stored in the Bands. All Im saying is that whether or not TLR could have been hemalurgically spiked depends entirely upon whether or not the rebels stabbing him with spears only stabbed hard enough to just barely get the metal heads in, which would technically allow for hemalurgical side effects, or if the rebels stabbed him with enough force that the spear head went ALL THE WAY THROUGH HIM and stuck out the other side of his body, leaving him with only the wooden haft still inside of him and the metal heads not touching his insides. Sixteen months later, when Kelsier was unable to get his weekly atium geode, Mare gave Kelsier hers, claiming that she had found two that week. Gemmel frequently put Kelsier into life and death situations in order to push him to learn how to use his powers. , Marsh is Kelsiers older brother. Kelsier considers guns to be inelegant weapons. It is used to fuel Southern Scadrian Allomantic technology, including their airships, which run via Steelpushing. Kelsier did get metal as a Cognitive Shadow in the form of the bolt from Nazh and Khriss' chair. Shes the bastard half-sister of Steris. The protagonists find a temple to a man they assume is the Lord Ruler, in which is stored the allomantic and feruchemic Bands. However, this apparition of Kelsier is eventually revealed to be Ruin in disguise. Prior to one of the executions, Kelsier attacks the carriages transporting the victims and frees them, killing a Steel Inquisitor in the process. Community Software by Invision Power Services, Inc. On 8/3/2018 at 9:16 PM, TheManKnownAsHoid said: On 8/2/2018 at 3:22 PM, TheManKnownAsHoid said. So, Im kind of with Ishar a little bit. Taken in congruence with the events of Secret History, this man appears to be Kelsier. Immediately after his death, Kelsier arrived in the Cognitive Realm. B. from what I do understand, I don't see why it is relevant, and generally, when something is irrelevant it is wrong simply because it is simply adding more complexity to the books (I think we all know the Cosmere has plenty), and is pointless. ), but its been a hot minute since TheBands of Mourning was released. All I want is for you to clarify your theory. As long as it provides something to think about and consider, it is worth posting. Marasi is a full constable, and Wayne is Waxs deputy. ifKelsier was spiked? A bit obsessive, a bit anxious, and a whole lot amazing, Steris uses her neurodivergencies to her (and Waxs) advantage by plotting out every eventuality and creating detailed plans to deal with any situation. Paalm has been working with the Set to attempt to break free from Harmonys influence. Wax thinks that he might have connections to the Set. , Kelsier is terrified by Ati and the power that he holds, seeing and feeling it through the Well of Ascension.[74]. After his apprentice Vin kills the Lord Ruler, OreSeur lays Kelsier's bones to rest. As of the end of The Bands of Mourning, he has a very obvious crush on Marasi. He was dead anyways. [12], Deal with your own stupid planet, you idiot. "[3] Kelsier is Iyatil's master. Despite what he has told the Ghostbloods, Kelsier does not have a real avatar. In Era 2, followers of Kelsier are known as Survivorists. Steris and Marasi are both followers of this religion. Though Vin initially is wary and suspicious of him, she eventually learns to trust him, and he becomes somewhat of a father figure to her. Breeze, Ham, Clubs, and Clubs' nephew Spook joined his crew. Please note that there are also some spoilers in here for The Stormlight Archive. He and Steris are married. To view an earlier version of the wiki without spoilers for a book, go to the Time Machine! His most prominent trademark is the multitude of long scars running down his arms, a memento of time spent in the Pits of Hathsin. I dunno what the point of spiking him would be. [56] He does not yet know the secret to overcome this limitation. I had a similar reaction to theend of Lev Grossmans The Magicians. He wasn't Kelsier, and he didn't need to be but it was hard to believe so when people kept reminding him of how different Kelsier would have . One day, the men of gold and red, bearers of the final metal, will come to you. Willshaper is high on the list as well. First released in 2006, Mistborn currently emcompasses six books, the most recent one having been released in 2016. (The Mistborn Saga #1) by Brandon Sanderson (Goodreads Author) 4. After being betrayed by his wife Mare on a job stealing from the Lord Ruler, Kelsier is sent to the Pits of Hathsin to mine atium geodes, one of the most sought-after Allomantic metals. He was the one who organized, the one who took all of the wild brainstorming and turned it into a viable operation. (Aside from the possibility of the spear no longer being a symbol). A natural leader, Kelsier used his charismatic personality to draw skilled and loyal Mistings to his own crew and eventually to lead a rebel army. [42] Then he found the power at the Well of Ascension and became trapped there with Ruin, though merging with the power of the Well allowed him to become a Cognitive Shadow and resist the pull of the Beyond. In the event of his death, Kelsier ordered his kandra, OreSeur, to ingest his remains, masquerading as a resurrected holy figure. With his newly awakened Mistborn powers, Kelsier killed the guards and escaped the Pits of Hathsin, murdering all the nobility and skaa who had chosen to become guards he encountered in his vicinity. [2] Kelsier later reveals in his letter to Vin that he had intended to use the Eleventh Metal to destroy the Lord Ruler but could not discover how to use it in his fight. He spun around on the rooftop, then suddenly he was there. Telsin Ladrian (aka Lady Sequence): Waxs estranged sister, and a high-ranking member of the Seteven higher than Mister Suit. Kelsier's estranged brother Marsh also joins, hoping to realize his own dream of a successful Skaa Rebellion despite his disapproval of Kelsier's methods and leaving the rebellion when he had learned Kelsier and Mare had been captured. [42] While he was in the Well, Hoid passed by and Kelsier essentially challenges him to a fight that Kelsier ultimately loses. He always keeps a smile on his face, because that is the one thing the Lord Ruler can't take from him. Vin also became a major religious figure in the wake of his death, as the Survivorists consider her Kelsier's heir. Honestly though, you really, really need to read Secret History before Lost Metal drops. And he didnt have metals as a cognitive shadow, so we have no way of knowing. I dont think the head matters. [16] He gifted Vin a mistcloak and started to teach her Allomancy. Greetings, Cosmere chickens and Allomancers! She agrees to join the crew in exchange for Kelsier's training. Under the Citizen's rule, all noblemen and even skaa of noble ancestry were to be executed, and any sort of luxury is declared illegal. He hates injustice and takes this hatred to the extreme, which originally resulted in him being unable to see good in any of the nobility. Why would it have to be relevant to the current or future cosmere? When Kelsier was in the Cognitive Realm after his release, he often would show up to him in order to mock him and his inability to do anything. In Bands of Mourning, we were introduced to the Malwish, a culture from Southern Scadrial. Please clarify. Gemmel is Kelsier's mentor in the allomantic arts, meeting each other after Kelsier escaped from his captivity in Hathsin. It is a dystopian fantasy world in which magic users gain powers by swallowing. [48] He ultimately only took a glass orb from them after thwarting their plan to take over become the Vessel of Preservation after Leras' death. . They have been utilizing Hemalurgy to grant their members Allomantic and Feruchemical powers. The reason he would fit well as an Edgedancer is mainly because of what he picked up from Mare regarding restoring the world to the time of flowers and greenery. Kelsier went on a pewter flare run to save the army, but was too late to stop the battle. A Steel Inquisitor had been present, discovering Vin's Allomancy. Kelsier's suspicions that Vin was a Mistborn were confirmed when he saw that she was able to burn zinc. Sazed, after becoming God, grants Spook the power of a Mistborn and heals him of his ultra-enhanced sense (an effect of continuously flaring tin for extended periods of time). Shes also written one novel and is working on several more. Immediately after his death, Kelsier arrived in the Cognitive Realm and met Preservation. He helped the people there survive using his knowledge of the Metallic Arts, showing them how to make metalminds to store attributes like heat in a way that could be shared with anyone. TenSoon learned the location of his bones from OreSeur, and used them to convince the people of Luthadel to hide in the caverns after King Penrod was corrupted by Ruin.[41]. [71] He was hours away near Southern Scadrian when Telsin planned to send a bomb on Elendel, and tasked Moonlight, TwinSoul, and Marasi to take care of it. I find it odd how specific Kelsier's death is. That resulted in the Kelsier skin . [63] The Ghostbloods believe Kelsier to still have his Allomantic abilities,[64] and he appears to be playing into this lie.[32]. Clearly I am not the only one questioning the relevancy, (Thanks for the support btw @KalaDANG) and it is not to point out that I don't "like" the theory, I find it unlikely, and there are 2 main reasons: A. I don't understand what the theory is trying to say (Which might make my thoughts on the theory irrelevant). We dont really know if the rebels that stabbed TLR used enough force to get the head of the spear all the way through his body so the metal head of the spear wouldnt be touching him. Kelsier often kills nobility and the skaa who serve them with absolutely no qualms. Now we are two Books deep into the Second Era and maybe i need to re-read them with more cosmere awareness but i cant remember any hints of a Cognitiv/Cosmereaware Kelsier . Wayne once had a thing for her, but gave up on it after realizing that she has a girlfriend. Kelsier is known by many titles, the origins of which vary. He also ran into Vin and was shocked to see how far she had come in the time he was away. He also searched far and wide for possible ways to defeat the Lord Ruler, and managed to find an ingot of the fabled Eleventh Metal (he claimed he had found it in the west, which is considered to be a lie. Kelsier went on to save Elend's life from an inquisitor. As of Mistborn Era 2, he may be a feruchemist and he has not gained access to allomancy since his death. This severely angered Kelsier and crushed morale within his crew, making them feel that they wouldn't be needed now that the army had been slaughtered. Whats the point? He hid the artifact away somewhere in the north and then disappeared. VenDell: A kandra who often delivers messages on behalf of Harmony. We want to discuss this theory. He once used them in his fight with a Steel Inquisitor, so the metals acted like they were alive, twitching and flying through the air to cut and distract the Steel Inquisitor. Kelsier locates this skaa, whose name was Vin. People tell me I can be downright frustrating! Hesdead, and presumably to themgoing to the beyondanyway, so even if they spiked him with an attribute, it would just be waste. [24] After his death, OreSeur takes his bones and appears before several groups of skaa, making them believe that Kelsier survived somehow. Later on, a group of Southern Scadrians traveled north in search of the Sovereign's Bands of Mourning, but were captured by the Set, who decided to seek the Bands as well. Information about books that have not yet been released, like the other secret novels releasing in 2023 and Stormlight 5, is allowed only on meta-pages for the books themselves. Mistborn Wiki is a FANDOM Books Community. Marsh, who was also in love with Mare, came to resent Kelsier for winning her love and for constantly outshadowing him with his frivolty. All Im saying is that whether or not TLR could have been hemalurgically spiked depends entirely upon whether or not the rebels stabbing him with spears only stabbed hard enough to just barely get the metal heads in, which would technically allow for hemalurgical side effects, or if the rebels stabbed him with enough force that the spear head went ALL THE WAY THROUGH HIM and stuck out the other side of his body, leaving him with only the wooden haft still inside of him and the metal heads not touching his insides. He congregated a mass of approximately six thousand skaa men to become soldiers in roughly four months and sent them all to Yeden. Breeze would recruit men for the rebellion, Ham would train them in the Arguois caverns, Dockson would direct the operation's finances, Clubs would hide the group's Allomancy with copperclouds, OreSeur in the role of Lord Renoux would buy the necessary equipment, Marsh would infiltrate the Steel Ministry posing as an obligator, Kelsier would use his Mistborn power to make attacks on the nobility to create tension between the houses, and Vin would gather information in the noble court posing as Renoux's niece Valette. Kelsier dies. He was dead anyways. Kelsier at first hated Leras for claiming to be God, enough to instantly punch him. [25], Before leaving them, he created the Bands of Mourning, a collection of unsealed metalminds forged together and containing all kinds of attributes in extremely large quantities. Vin expected that Kelsier would use his knowledge to control her, but to her surprise, he openly explained her the eight basic metals. As punishment, Kelsier was sent to the the Pits of Hathsin to mine atium for the Lord Ruler. Then he killed the noble Lord Renoux and let OreSeur impersonate him. [16][35][37], Seeing his powers, Gemmel wondered what he unleashed upon the world in teaching Kelsier allomancy. Except if you remove the spike, you leave the alteration because the Identity is not matched. The Bands of Mourning follows our group of heroes as they begin a quest to find the titular Bands of Mourning, a legendary and extraordinarily powerful artifact. [11] He hates all of the nobility and tends to believe that all of them are to blame for the plight of the skaa, although near the end of his life this attitude changes due to Vin's insistence that Elend is different and that not all the nobles should be fought, although his views did not fully change, and he retained his prejudice and distrust. The issue with a spear is if the metal head is all the way out of the body, and only the wooden haft is actually touching. Although he had only come into his powers three years before the beginning of Mistborn: The Final Empire, Kelsier repeatedly demonstrates a level of skill and finesse greater than that of most other Mistborn. [37], Ah, but being an annoyance is something that I am very good at. He was born to a noble and a skaa mother, a fact that would have her killed due to the illegitimacy of it. It is presumed that this is the Sovereign of the Southerners, who saved their people, declared himself ruler, and reorganized the social hierarchy. And the whole point of the Cosmere Discussion forumis to discuss irrelevant theories and minutiae about the Cosmere. He introduced them and Vin to Yeden and explained his plan to destroy the Final Empire and kill the Lord Ruler. Dustbringer also fits because of the theme of self mastery and pushing himself. Why would it have to be relevant to the current or future cosmere? [14][21][27], Kelsier is a Mistborn, so he can burn every Allomantic metal, although he is particularly proficient with the external physical metals iron and steel. . Kelsier's own role takes advantage of his Mistborn training, allowing him to assassinate nobles, cause disruptions in the Great Houses and eventually ignite a house war that would tear Luthadel apart from within. TheManKnownAsHoid, August 2, 2018. [51], From the Well of Ascension, of course. The Lord Ruler was just too powerful and him trying to run would've destroyed any of the rebellion he was trying to build. Some of the Survivor's less pleasant traits include his ruthlessness and prejudice. [70], Soon afterwards, Wax accessed a coppermind contained in a coin-like Southern Scadrian medallion that Hoid had given him and saw a vision of what appeared to be Kelsier's memory of discovering the Southern Scadrians hundreds of years prior. He accomplished a lot, and died facing down the Lord Ruler himself. He then asked Preservation if they are God, and after being told yes he promptly punched Preservation in the face. He died at the end of the first book in the original trilogy but theres always another secret. In the process, he tells the skaa to flee to the Terris settlement at the Pits of Hathsin should troubles. He strongly disapproves of the way Kelsier flippantly kills noblemen and those who serve them without a second thought. The "Survivor's Statemark" is one of the symbols of the faith. This page was last edited on 27 January 2023, at 22:51. Thus Kelsier's mother was killed, and because of this, the brothers have a deep hatred of noblemen. I wonder if there's a way to make hemalurgy permanent. They went to the hideout themselves just in time to save Vin from Camon. A discussion means you have twosides, and you literally just asked one side to leave and move along.. After the fall of the Lord Ruler, Marsh eventually came under control of Ruin, as Ruin used the Hemalurgic nature of the Inquisitors to control them. Despite his disapproval of Kelsiers actions, Marsh is still willing to infiltrate the Steel Ministry as part of Kelsiers plan. On its relevancy, just because it has spawned a discussion does not make it relevant to the present and futureCosmere. , When several skaa from the rebellion were about to be executed, Kelsier attempts to save them. And you kind of responded with a lot of hate there. The first glimpse we had of Trells influence was at the end of Alloy of Law in the form ofMiles Hundredlives dying proclamation: You are fools! Its relevant to the past in the cosmere. The Inquisitor and some soliders followed Camon to find his hideout to wipe out his crew, but Kelsier lured the Inquisitor away by using his own Allomancy while Dockson took out the soldiers. The Lord Ruler is pierced through the chest with a spear, basically a long spike, then uses that spear to stab Kelsier. He forced the rest of the crew to leave, only leaving Vin. Kelsier draws up a master plan for the job, in which he designates each member of his crew to a role. He teamed up with the escaped Plantation skaa Dockson and the Tineye Mare, whom he married. Its probably not realistic though. At the beginning of the novella, Kelsier is killed by the Lord Ruler, but refuses to pass on to the Beyond, and instead becomes trapped in the Cognitive Realm, between the Physical and Spiritual realm. Kelsier did get metal as a Cognitive Shadow in the form of the bolt from Nazh and Khriss' chair. And the whole point of the Cosmere Discussion forumis to discuss irrelevant theories and minutiae about the Cosmere. Realizing Vin didn't trust him, he told her that in his crew they trust each other. He has an imposing presence and is a natural leader, easily taking charge and swaying even the downtrodden skaa of Luthadel into joining the rebellion with his charming personality. Also, you talked about, as I mentioned, how you want to discuss this theory. Vin paused at her thoughts. Wax, Wayne, and Marasi work together to take down Miles Hundredlives, a compound bloodmaker who has been kidnapping women and stealing aluminum for a shadowy organization called The Set. At the end of the book, the kidnapped women are still missing, Miles is executed, and Wax discovers that his uncle Edwarn, whod been presumed dead, is actually alive and a member of the Set. [78][34] At the time of meeting, he saw Kelsier as a wild card that he didn't want to deal with. Its central tenet is simply to survive, by any means, until you cannot survive any longer. 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And if we ignore that as well, Kelsier's cognitive shadow doesn't seem to have any of his mistborn powers so an extra hemalurgic power would likely mean nothing at that point. Protecting you.Giving you power!, When Leras died and Ruin began to Splinter the Shard of Preservation, Kelsier used the Ire's orb to Connect with Preservation and Ascend, allowing him to protect the power and hold it until Vin could take it. He is a half-blood skaa with a father from the noble class. For one of them, Kelsier's crew planned to steal the Lord Ruler's atium cache, which they believed lay hidden in Kredik Shaw. Throughout the course of the original Mistborn trilogy, he was been working behind the scenes to try to help Vins cause. [54] Secretly, however, he knew that Ruin would send Marsh to intercept the message, and was hoping that reading the message would give Marsh the information he needed to remove Vin's earring, which was also a Hemalurgic spike that was keeping her from taking up Preservation's power. (Like Wax, and Wayne, and okay, those are the only remaining Ws, but isnt alliteration fun?). The new skin is based on Kelsier, a central character of the series. In The Final Empire it can be argued that Vin represents the reader of the book as she is constantly in awe and has a great amount of respect for Kelsier.The reader is able to learn about the world, the magic and the other characters through the eyes of Vin, and because of this, we admire Kelsier, holding him up to almost a supernatural standard. After Kelsier died, he became a Cognitive Shadow through the Well of Ascension, making him able to resist the pull of the Beyond. [24] This results in the skaa considering him a god, leading to the founding of the Church of the Survivor, which refers to Kelsier as "Lord of the Mists". Then he found the power at the Well of Ascension and became trapped there with Ruin, though merging with the power of the. Allik Neverfar: A Southern Scadrian (specifically from Malwish), Allik is an airship crewman who was captured by the Set. You can use this to quickly reference who the various players are, in case youve forgotten. I am hope. Kelsier's legacy continues to influence people all across the five dominances. They go on several outings together, including fighting Inquisitors this leads to Vin almost dying however and changes how Kelsier runs the crew. Throughout the course of the series, weve been following the underhanded machinations of a group called the Set. In Alloy of Law, we learned that the Set (through Mister Suit, Waxs uncle) was responsible for funding the Vanishers, a group who was kidnapping female descendants of the Lord Mistborn (aka Spook). Immediately after his death, Kelsier arrived in the Cognitive Realm. [53][54] He used this opportunity to tell Spook to send a message to Vin, warning her that any spiked person could potentially be under Ruin's control. Even though that is the OP, it would also be good to know where the discussion has evolved too, cause I am confused by that too. Even if he had, Kelsier died after being stabbed by the spear, but a hemalurgic spike would not kill: vital organs actually move to accommodatethe spike and keep the subject alive. It is there we witness his constant desire to gain access to Lerasium and we can see the affects of the trauma inflicted upon him by the Pits of Hathsin.. [47] After that, he left the area of the Cognitive Realm surrounding Scadrial and moved closer to finding the Ire. Even with the Eleventh Metal, Kelsier proved no match for the emperor and was quickly killed by a spear through the heart. But spiking modifies the spirit web, which is the same whether your a cognitive shadow or not,and so it could have provided him benefits. This is why I love Brandon. Batman, the most legendary mistborn himself. It all kind of depends on that. Kelsier would beat Kaladin in a straight fight as he is prone to using dirty tactics. Kelsier has been confirmed by WoB not to have a spike, so although he was being influenced by Ruin's plans, Ruin was not controlling his motions and therefore he did not have the intent necessary to perform hemalurgy. We know that Waxs sister, Telsin, is a high-ranking member and that she escaped alive at the end of TheBands of Mourning. While there he meets Ati and Hoid, as well as regularly talking with Leras, whom he believes to be God. Will Wax and Wayne wield weapons with wild wantonness? Elend lived with the weight of not being the man the people wanted. The Lord Ruler served as the target of Kel's final escapade, a superb thief and natural leader. He met with Yeden the leader of the skaa rebellion and made Yeden hire him to bring down the Final Empire. MellowKween 21 days ago Hmm well like I said, he's never really gone. Kelsier: The famed Survivor of Hathsin, a half-skaa mistborn who led a revolution against the Lord Ruler. Though they suffered many setbacks, Kelsier's leadership allowed the rebellion to attain an army of sufficient size to hold Luthadel. [15] He shows little empathy or fear, as well as a high ego,[14] and is frequently quick to resort to using violenceoften lethal violenceto solve problems,[16][17][18][19] even when doing so clearly won't actually help the people he is supposedly trying to help. The newly installed king of Luthadel, Elend Venture, often inquires about Kelsier's traits and skills, hoping that he can learn to lead as effectively as the Survivor once did. At the end of TheBands of Mourning, we learn that aside from the Survivorists, there is also a whole civilization of people far to the south of Elendel that worships Kelsier, calling him the Sovereign. He lacks finesse in the external mental abilities of zinc and brass as he tends to create large changes in emotional states as opposed to the more subtle Soothing abilities of Breeze, although he can affect a relatively large mass of people.
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