these 2 ayat that have been repeated elsewhere are a beautiful reminder of the lessons to be learned and ibra from the civilizations that have long gone and their signs remain for those that follow and there are many such examples of these very beautiful and instructive verses. Archaeologists should do their job the way they do and in case of any finding, they can confirm whether it conflicts with the Quran or not; if it does not, then there is nothing wrong to proceed with it further but if it does, then archaeology needs to be further examined however, such an occurrence would never happen since the Quran is from God. They were scientists and technicians and craftsmen, so they wanted conclusive proof. I dont know and this is a good aspect of the Quran; it does not go into such things and instead instructs us to focus on the message and not the nitty gritty. Thamud used to carve out rocks in the valley Theres no real reason to mention them lastly, except they came after al-Rass and they are also included in this chronological order as well. [4] Historian Israel Eph'al questions the plausibility of Sargon's account, as the briefness of Sargon's account seems to be at odds with the fact that such a campaign deep into Arabia would have been one of the longest wars in Assyrian history, and because no mention of plunder is provided. They lived in the kingdom of Edom, which is about 200 or so miles from Madian Saleh, where, supposedly, the Quranic Thamud lived, although the Thamud could have lived in multiple areas, including Petra 3. The pagan Arabs were acquainted with their existence but nothing more is known about them. What timeline do you think thamud and AD and noah came because they would of have to be closed together and if noah nation was the first to commit shirk then they will have to of come 10 thousand bc because of the gobekli temple in Turkey because they commit shirk 9500 bc. As I mentioned in our discussion on your post regarding Gog and Magog, I was very interested to read your reply to the missionary accusation regarding Thamud, because the argument seems to be rather recent and it seems to at least on its surface have good argumentation and hence we as Muslims must develop countermeasures. Replying by always staying what is the problem or what is the issue seems to have a rebuking or shaming tone that appears very harsh to the questioner. who occupy the heights of the hill. . Like the people of Ad, they erected huge buildings on the plains and hewed beautiful homes out of the hills. As were dealing with an allegation that is mostly Christian in origin, I am going to start with what the Bible says about the topic. In sum, missionaries and polemicists contrive an accusation against the Quran by obscuring, deliberately or not, the meaning of Thamud in the Quran and its relationship to the complex array of archaeological sites in Arabia. Change). The Nabataean alphabet was adopted by Arabs to the south, and evolved into modern Arabic script around the 4th century. [78] Their Messengers came to them with Clear Signs. Only Allah knows if this scenario really happened. The most striking thing about the Thamud was the huge buildings and structures they built into the sides of mountains. Arabization and Islamization of Syria began in the 7th century, and it took several centuries for Islam, the Arab identity, and language to spread;[19] the Arabs of the caliphate did not attempt to spread their language or religion in the early periods of the conquest, and formed an isolated aristocracy. When some one has a keen desire to understand logically or has questions, there is nothing wrong I think. Thamd, li, al-ijr, Gods She-camel, Arabia and the Arabs by Robert Hoyland, Professor of Late Antique and Early Islamic Middle Eastern History at New York Universitys Institute for the Study of the Ancient World, pg 68. Expel Jews and Christians from Arabian Peninsula? This individual was probably a merchant or official in service of the Babylonian court. from there I will bring you down, Several other inscriptions bearing the namesAad and Iram have been discovered in Jordan. They were able to build great structures and buildings, They had children to carry on their progeny. The Targum is,thou art like to an eagle that dwells in the clefts of the rock, whose habitation is in a high place;this they were proud of, thinking themselves safe, which deceived them; hence it follows: that saith in his heart, who shall bring me down to the ground? Of course there are lessons to be taken from the stories of these two nations. Are these tourist sites now identified at Madian Saleh the same as those we see discussed in the saheeh ahadith during the Tabuk expedition or is that a different location because these sites are identified as built by Nabataens and not Thamud and are considered much later than Thamud people (if we consider the finds to be absolutely authentic that these are Nabataens who built them. (3). Allah says: `Say, O Muhammad, to these idolators who disbelieve in the message of truth that you have brought: If you turn away from that which I have brought to you from Allah, then I warn you of the punishment of Allah like the . Success comes from Allah, and Allah knows best. [29] The second Arab tribal migration to northern Mesopotamia was in the 10th century when the Banu Numayr migrated there. The crafts became abundant and firmly rooted. Al-ijr is now a vast plain, interspersed with hills into which what looks from the outside like houses or tombs have been carved. And perhaps, over the generations, these people developed their own magnificent society with its own special hallmarks and characteristics. [3] As the "Ta-mu-di", the peoples are mentioned together with the Ephah, the "Ibadidi", and the "Marsimani" as part of "the distant desert-dwelling Arabs who knew neither overseers nor officials and had not brought their tribute to any king". Did the Prophet try to execute a man without proof? [26] The name is a misnomer from the nineteenth century, when such texts were discovered in areas associated with the Thamud in the Islamic tradition. As for the conclusion that Ashab al-Hijr were not Thamud, I think this is rather unwarranted. Objection number 2 is not a major problem once we consider the various factors involved. After the Arab conquest of Persia in the 7th century, many Arab tribes settled in different parts of Iran, notably Khurasan and Ahwaz, it is the Arab tribes of Khuzestan that have retained their identity in language and culture to the present day while other Arabs especially in Khurasan were slowly Persianised. Part 1_ The story of Musa. (LogOut/ A Reminder of the Story of `Ad and Thamd By Ibn Kathir - Fri 14 Muharram 1425 (5 Mar 2004) 0 5604 Explanation: means, they were arrogant, stubborn and disobedient. Qur'anic accounts of Salih always follow those of Hud. These two groups are considered to be ancestors to modern day Arabs. As also 'Ad and Thamud, and the Companions of the Rass, and many a generation between them. Those people rejected their prophets and did not follow the correct way and Allah did destroy them. [23] The ninth-century Muslim scholar Ibn Sad believed that the Thamud were the Nabateans. Answer (1 of 7): Yes They were called the people of Aad and they were ancient arabs. This is attested by Safaitic inscriptions (beginning in the 1st century BCE) and the many Arabic personal names in Nabataean inscriptions. More than a century after Jesus, in the reign of the Roman emperor Marcus Aurelius (d. 180 AD), we find that a part of the Thamud tribe was enrolled in the Roman army. Some of these questions were sincere, but most of the time they were just trying to trip him up. Whereas the people who did cravings in al-Hijr were Nabateans. Honestly I dont understand the confusion at and all of it has been dealt with above. The Thamud did not worship God, and were disobedient. copyright@ Atowar Rahman Salafi || year 2021, may, @Copyright_ Atowar Rahman Salafi If not, then why do we need to find the remains of Thamud? Ptolemy (d. 168 AD), describes a people called Oaditai8, bordered by Aramaeans to the north, and Thamud to the south, close to what is today called Wadi Ramm. But the fact that they spitefully killed an animal that had done them no harm and for no good reason is proof and a sign of their evil. Also two Saheeh reports are contradicting each other: One the one hand, they are resting at al Hijr, while on the other hand it is said that they didnt rest at all and kept riding away faster from Hijr. And as for Aad, they were destroyed by a screaming violent windstorm which Allah imposed on them for seven days and eight nights straight. The pride of thine heart hath deceived thee Seriously? Then do you see any remains?Chapter 69, Verses 6 8. As their material wealth increased so, too, did their evil ways while their virtue decreased. The shout, which is an extremely loud sound, might have caused the earthquake, according to certain scholars. Now we come to the archeological matters concerning the Nabateans. Before sending the punishment on them, Allah sent two prophets to these nations. 4) That the ORIGINAL dwellings in the valley were Thamuds but Nabateans built them further. We are in grave doubt about what you are asking us to do." The first ancient tribe of Thamud should be distinguished from later tribes named Thamud by historians and archaeologists, as well as the region itself, which was known as the land of Thamud and sometimes simply Thamud.. They mainly settled in the Hauran region and spread to modern Lebanon, Palestine and Jordan. I think some more research is needed to establish where the ruins are that are clearly mentioned in the Tabuk expedition hadith. During the time of Prophet Muhammad (pbuh), the Quraish would debate with him and ask him all sorts of questions. But the Thamud cut its hamstring or otherwise wounded it. It is addressed there It is very conceivable that those individuals who established this society became the pillars of the nation and their descendents took advantage of that and maintained a stranglehold on the wealth of the nation. Archeologists have put these ruins from the first century BCE and the first century CE. [Qur'an . Some Muslims have mistakenly equated sites such as these with the first Thamud of the Quran, but it is believed by archaeologists that a different group of people called the Nabataeans, in fact, built some of these sites. document.getElementById( "ak_js_1" ).setAttribute( "value", ( new Date() ).getTime() ); The Quranic tribes of Aad and Thamud a historical perspective. you will be utterly despised. The Thamd were known from contemporary sources to have occupied parts of the Hejaz region, and later Islamic tradition holds that they settled on the slopes of Mount Athlab. The word atharan or assar as loosely written in Urdu literally means effects or reactions or remnants left behind as an escape of a crime scene where clues or signs point to. p.190. If the Nabateans carved out the structures on the hills and mountains of Petra and Median Saleh, as the Christians allege, then both the Quran and the Bible are in error, which I dont agree with. They write new content and verify and edit content received from contributors. JazakAllah, Thats fine I know that is just the way some people talk I talk to the point because Im using a mobile so I have to keep as short as possible my problem with the verse was normally when it says travel the land or as such its talking about nations close and the nations close to the Arabs were ad and thamud so some say that this verse is saying the quran thinks these buildings were built by thamud but we know they were built by the nabtions not thamud but we know the quran is not wrong so how do we explain that verse jazzakkallah because it makes it sound like that is this verse speaking in the present tense or past like tilka arabic and lam arabic jazzakkallah thanks for the help, Its like the same problem with 40:21 40:82 it sounds like thamud and pointing to these tombs etc but we know it cant be so how do we explain this as well jazzakkallah, And 27:52 because people say this sounds like it as well the kawatan arabic means empty so it sounds like it saying these tombs as well but it is mainly 28:58 I have the problem with jazzakkallah. Such an amazing thing was supposed to be their sign. Furthermore, their prophets, Hud and Salih, are often considered two fo the four Arab prophets that Allah sent to mankind. Amend their accusation to now include the Bible also. Also, 28:40 is referring to Pharaoh and the verse tells us to BEHOLD how Allah SWT dealt with him without us being present to see it. Is al ula walid al qura But the Thamud let their education and knowledge go to their heads. I guess it can be said that the Nabataeans can be considered one of the nations succeeding the people of Thamud. If the Bible tells us nothing more, at least it illustrates that carving out structures on mountains predated the Nabateans, and that is all we need to refute the Christian allegation against the Quran. 5. According to the Greek historian, Diodorus Siculus, the Nabateans have a law neither to sow corn nor to plant any fruit-bearing plant, nor to use wine, nor to build a house. A report in the hadith collection of Bukhari makes this connection between Thamud and al-Hijr quite explicit. The Edomites can also be a separate nation and through the passage time they shared history, tradition, and custom with the remnants of the Thamud. What is uncovered thus far reveal that the structures are not dwellings, but tombs. But given the possibility that these ruins could have once been created, either completely or partially, by the Thamud and taken later by the Edomites in Petra and then the Nabateans, who inscribed graffiti on themtheir inscriptions are exactly thator even carved out recesses inside of them, there isnt an unsurmountable problem. According to the Quran and the Islamic exegetical tradition, the Thamud were an early Arab tribe who rejected the message of the prophet Salih. Thus, Nabataeans later reused the rocks and made them to graves. Being Dutiful to Parents: Islamic knowledge, The Door to Eternal Paradise: Islamic knowledge. Therefore, the Aad were a society that sprung up from the survivors of the flood, perhaps some of the same people who rode in the Ark with Prophet Noah (AS). Numerous rock writings and pictures traditionally attributed to the Thamd have been found on Mount Athlab and throughout central Arabia; though labeled Thamdic, they actually reflect a diverse set of ancient Semitic dialects used by various Arabian tribes. Thamd, in ancient Arabia, tribe or group of tribes known to be extant from the 8th century bce to the 5th century ce. They are often discussed when Allah is directing our attention to people who disobeyed Him and were punished as a result. 85 percent of the region is still untouched, and hidden. The account presented in Surah an-Naml also mentions nine evil people of Thamud who are immediately responsible for God's punishment of their people[Quran27:4851] in a narrative reminiscent of Jewish descriptions of the demise of Sodom. Both. As for their dates, I do not know and it is not necessary that they would have to be very close to each other. We have no firm textual evidence as to where they went, but their pattern of rock carving survived for millennia among their successors in the area such as the Nabateans, the Dedanites, the Lihyanites who supplanted the Dedanites in Dedan in the last century BCE and 1st century CE and others. God sent Salih to warn them, then after they ignored him and murdered a she-camel that God sent, He killed them and left only Salih and those who followed him alive. The Aad and Thamud were both located in the northwestern part of modern day Saudi Arabia near the border of Jordan. [10], Arab Islamic sources state that the Thamud were an early Arab tribe that had gone extinct in ancient days. When they came here, there would have been many buildings and they made their buildings alongside them and eventually, theirs outgrew the previous ones. Previous ones may have fallen and replaced by Nabateans but during the time of the Prophet (), there did remain buildings of Thamud and who knows, they might still be there today but undiscovered by archaeologists. The Christians are claiming that the Qurans statement about Thamud carving structures in the hills and mountains is demonstrably false as the structures are built not by the Thamud but by the Nabateans, who came much later. The Nabatean inscriptions are the ancient equivalent of graffiti, which humans even today have a predilection for. God then destroyed the tribe, except for Salih and a few other righteous men. And so, when Our command was fulfilled, by Our mercy We saved li and his fellow believers from the disgrace of that day. 2. The earliest Arab tribes emerged from Bedouins. We must look at them, ponder over the signs of Allah and take heed. Regardless, the thamud tribes structures remained for people to see according to Quran. But it was hamstrung and eventually killed by nine people of Thamud, who then attempted but failed to kill Salih himself. How archeologists date the tombs and other structures is primarily based on the inscriptions found in them. They very well could be the predecessors of the Edomites as they lived around the same area, and according to the Bible, they practiced the tradition of carving dwellings into the rocks. The Thamud (Arabic: , romanized:amd) were an ancient Arabian tribe or tribal confederation[1] that occupied the northwestern Arabian peninsula between the late-eighth century BCE, when they are attested in Assyrian sources, and the fifth century CE, when they served as Roman auxiliaries. But certainly, there is some potential that something like this may have happened. Then remember the favors of Allah and do not commit abuse on the earth, spreading corruption. [7:73. As for the wells, studies have shown that the Nabateans were experts in the field of irrigation and a lot of wells was attributed to them. The people led wealthy excessive lives, built grand buildings, both on the plains, and carved into the hills. The Thamd are infrequently mentioned in contemporary indigenous Arabian sources, although two Safaitic inscriptions carved some time between the first century BCE and the fourth century CE refer to "the year of the war between Gm and the tribe of Thamd [snt rb gm l md]". 12. [24] Whether the poem is genuinely by Umayya or is a post-Islamic creation is a matter of debate. - _ tafseer. Change), You are commenting using your Facebook account. No doubt! Ive discussed this more below. 63-65. And take for yourselves palaces and fortresses that you may abide eternally?Chapter 26, Verses 128 129. Thats all the Thamud had to do. Therefore, the Adnanites are descendants of Abraham. Over time, some say nine generations, these people developed a society that was very powerful, wealthy, and influential. Who can bring me down to the ground? [7][8] In a somewhat muddled passage, Pliny the Elder, a Roman historian of the first century CE, appears to locate the Thamd at the unidentified inland town of "Baclanaza". Re. [6], Thamd is also mentioned in Classical sources. We simply do not know the true date and timeline for when the first Thamud of the Quran existed and, therefore, it would be difficult, if not impossible, to accurately identify the ruins of such an ancient civilization that lived thousands years ago. They just wanted to catch him in some sort of inconsistency they could use to discredit him. The hadiths show that there were wells present in that particular spot attributed to the Thamud. The general consensus among 14th-century Arab genealogists is that Arabs are of three kinds: The Hawazin tribe and the Quraysh tribe are considered Adnani Arabs. [2] The Quran endorses this fact; they were not outright destroyed and the believers survived: Then look! We do not believe in the Bible the way it is today. 89:9 is in past tense. The Middle verse in chapter (11) of the New Testament says:" He that hath ears to hear, let him hear." The Middle verse in chapter (11) of the . This is what the Sovereign LORD says about Edom The Aad and the Thamud are two nations mentioned several times in the Quran. Hud ( ) was sent to Ad and after their destruction, Thamud inherited the land. Many centuries elapse before we find Thamud again in the textual record, though their name crops up many times in (undated) inscriptions throughout North Arabia. Eventually, they demanded proof for what Salih was saying. Summary: The cravings that Quran says were done by Thamud were in Wad l-Qura. MALIK'S MUWATTA, BOOK 9: Shortening the Prayer || __ - . [1] Arab tribes have historically inhabited the Arabian Peninsula, but after the spread of Islam, they began to heavily migrate and settle in other areas such as the Levant,[2] Mesopotamia,[3] Egypt,[4] Sudan,[5] the Maghreb,[6] and Khuzestan. Are women deficient in intelligence in Islam? Aad and Thamud are two of several communities described in the Quran as recipients of Gods chosen prophets and being utterly destroyed for rejecting them. . Thamud were destroyed And remember when He made you successors after the Aad and settled you in the land, [and] you take for yourselves palaces from its plains and carve from the mountains, homes. By about 850 BCE, a complex network of settlements and camps was established. Salamun alaikum, We do not take it as a science book and neither should we take it as a book of archaeology. Secondly, the Ayaat are not only meant for the Sahaba, they are also for us and for all times and so when the Quran asks the readers to look at what happened to those before, it is meant for us as well. Also what time do you think noah ad and thamud came. However, now none may be visible and what is visible now are those made centuries later. The Thamud were the successors of the Aad. Does 22:45 say thamud castles and palaces are empty in the present tense with the well or is this verse talking about something else, 13. And perhaps, just like the Aad before them, they forgot the faith of Tawheed practiced by their ancestors and slipped into worhsiping idols. [28] A large Arab migration to Mesopotamia followed the Muslim conquest of Mesopotamia in 634, which saw an increase in the culture and ideals of the Bedouins in the region. It mentions the elusive city of Iram (mentioned in the above Quranic verse), and reads May Abdallhi son of Atmo be remembered for all time before Allt, the goddess of Iram.. So what we see are Hellenistic structures built by Midianites taken over from the Thamud. There is a place called Khyber at Pakistan/Afghanistan border but that is NOT the Khyber of Madina. [11] An important exception is a temple at al-Ruwfa in northwestern Saudi Arabia, built by the Thamd themselves in the 160s CE. Hud tried to reason with his people by reminding them of the many favors Allah had given them. The Ghassanids increased the Semitic presence in the then Hellenized Syria, the majority of Semites were Aramaic peoples. Verses 15:80-83describe its inhabitants as carving their homes out of mountains and being decimated by a loud shriek characteristics ascribed by the Quran elsewhere to the people of Thamud2. We dont have remains of Ad, do we? I look forward to your response my dear brother. Chaldeans formed when actual tribe of thamud perished so you are not correct . This genealogical relationship is further reflected in the theory . Of course, when they challenged Allah and His Messenger like this, they were just inviting destruction. Nothing but solid rock underlies the rest of the facades. So Ad lives in a mountainous country with lush valleys; and they made altars on the mountains. Ok thanks jazzakkallah but do you think the verse can be in past tense and the verse you quote above in your article 89:9 is it talking about homes on the plains or homes in mountains and the verse makes it sound like they could see these houses in the mountions so it makes it sound like this verse is saying the tombs are thamud dwellings so how do we explain this verse or is it just saying they used to do that like ad used too do pillars in the verse before or is that verse saying as well they could still see those pillars jazzakkallah sorry to keep bothering you. The expedition of Tabuk does identify the dwellings and ruins of a destroyed nation of Thamud and this area is between Madeenah and Shaam/Syria. [21], A hadith tradition preserved in the a al-Bukhr collection narrates that the Islamic prophet Muhammad called Hegra "the land of Thamud" and did not allow his troops to drink from its wells or to use its water, and to never enter its ruins "unless weeping, lest occur to you what happened to them. Do not enter the dwellings of those who wronged themselves unless you are weeping, lest you be afflicted with the likes of what afflicted them. 7. Unfortunately, both nations rejected their prophets. They were a little more inquisitive (at least at first). The Thamud were scientists. We cannot preclude the notion that structures that are completely different from what has been found so far, will be found in the future. They were 6 meters tall! [5], A surviving letter from Nabonidus, a sixth-century BC king of Babylon, includes an order that a "Te-mu-da-a Ar-ba-a-a", apparently "Thamudi Arab", be given several talents of silver. The ruins were identified by the Prophet (s) as belonging to those who wronged themselves, without ascribing them to the very first tribe of Thamud. Allah mentions how there were actually nine families that pretty much ran everything in this society. As regarding to the Ahadith from Ibn Umar (as), they seem to be a interpretation of him itself, the prophet (as) says nothing about them. They also could have written inscriptions on the many structures that already existed. Hence I clearly mentioned in my original comment that this seems to be the weakest of all interpretations. 15:75 can also be interpreted as a HISTORICAL sign/reminder when referring to the destruction of Sodom and Gomorrah. Your email address will not be published. According to Dr. Nehme, a senior research scientist at the French National Center for Scientific Research, the Nabateans have left us with almost no written material that would shed any light on their origins or even daily affairs. If we try to discuss the lineage of the Arabs well be here forever. So you could see the people therein fallen as if they were hollow trunks of palm trees. Just leave her alone. Thereupon Allahs Messenger () commanded that the water collected for drinking should be spilt and the flour should be given to the camels and commanded them that the water for drinking should be taken from that well where the she-camel used to come. Is there a possibility that these remaining tombs (around 1400 years back, were more in number and had dwellings as well) were inscribed upon by the Nabataeans as has already been proposed and I came across a while back, Assalam alikum what about 40:21 and 40:82 if someone could explain these verses, Walikum Assalam, Aben Ezra thinks that caph, the note of similitude, is wanting; and that the sense is, thou thoughtest that Mount Seir could secure thee, as they that dwell in the clefts of a rock: whose habitation [is] high; upon high rocks and mountains, such as Mount Seir was, where Esau dwelt, and his posterity after, him. Witch of these sound more like what the verse is meaning, 5. [ Qur'an and Suhih Sunnah - Islamic Knowledge ]. One-third of the tombs, which are amongst the largest, are clearly dated to between 0-75 CE. The Nabateans [20] The Arabs of the caliphate accommodated many new tribes in isolated areas to avoid conflict with the locals; caliph Uthman ordered his governor, Muawiyah I, to settle the new tribes away from the original population. Are you telling us to change our religion from our fathers relgion? Assalamualaikum thnx for the link. Obadiah 1:3 They were Giants and so powerful. The Edomites were proud of their wealth and riches, which they had by robberies amassed together; and of their military skill and courage, and of their friends and allies; and especially of their fortresses and fastnesses, both natural and artificial; and therefore thought themselves secure, and that no enemy could come at them to hurt them, and this deceived them: thou that dwellest in the clefts of the rock; 41.13-18 Kathir - Ibn Al Kathir. Also, the Prophet () did in fact mention the dwellings in a separate hadith. This is an article I recently wrote. 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